Why linux will always be impossible to use

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I suggest there is a very simple reason why linux is awful and will remain awful.
If someone was to create a version of linux that worked, one which wasn't fatally flawed by all the many problems listed on this forum...
If a group of kind-hearted geniuses was ever to do this, then - in a heartbeat - all those hate-filled, puritanical, bullies and psychic vampires, in other words the linux EXPERTS, would find themselves reduced from being among the most important people in the world to being nothing more than the socially maladjusted sadists they truthfully are.
Think about it: those EXPERTS are the only people in the world who are able to 'help' the rest of us; if ever we want to try and get our computers to do ANYTHING, no matter how simple, we are forced to go on bended knee to them, begging them to help us. (Of course, we all know, they almost never actually deign to help anyone: that would spoil their fun.)
The instant a sensible, working version of linux appears those EXPERTS will be magically transformed from the kings of the computing world into insignificant frogs, left waiting for a princess who is never going to appear.
In my opinion, based on my experience of trying to get ubuntu and fedora to work, the land of linux is a totalitarian, puritanical regime, which exists solely to satisfy the need for self-glorification of a tiny number of people.
Linux will almost certainly never be transformed into a real operating system: the EXPERTS will do everything in their power to prevent it happening.
It saddens me that no group of decent, non vampiric, people has ever got together to create a version of the OS that can be used by the average user. By 'average user' I mean people who want to be able to USE their computers, instead of dedicating the rest of their lives to LEARNING how to.

I agree with your point. I

I agree with your point.

I have a friend who loves linux. Believe it or not, he has put a filesystem on his RAM, installed an apache server although he isn't intending to to allow anybody to connect to hs computer or host a site or any kind of information, he writes software for things that have already been invented such as alarm clocks etc. He has even admitted to like the way linux is the "geeks operating system". His quotes not mine.

That's exactly the way Linux is. Linux was never meant to be your OS. Otherwise, these people would actually fix it's horrible user unfriendliness the next day. Instead, it was meant to be the OS of the geek that wants to learn about computers. Linus Torvalds didn't want to make an antagonistic OS, he was a geek who wanted to learn about computers. See my point?

Again, they don't care about thev non-knowledgeable user. They don't make money from you, they think you are retard because you do not spend 10 hours a day reading man pages and selecting hardware after reading "hardware compatibility lists". They thing everybody who uses a computer MUST learn the basic things about it (wrong thinking in year 2009). For them, a userfriendly environment that "guides" a non-knowledgeable user is a waste of coding time (which should be invested in developing filesystems nobody will use instead). Tell me I am wrong. Otherwise they would fix it.

"Why make a user friendly operating system when someone can read man pages and learn how to use the anachronistic terminal? " is the motto in the Linux world.

Newsflash linux geeks: There are people who use computer just to connect to facebook and write documents. They do NOT want to learn about computers, and they are NEVER going to. Just like you don't want to learn about auto mechanics, you just want to go to your job. So, Linux guys, do you have something for them? No! In Ubuntu, the most popular distro, you are forced to use the terminal even to install flash player!! Lame. Another reason linux sucks.

In other words, if someone doesn't have an intermediate knowledge of computers and not intending to acquire some, Linux is not for him. Period! And this sucks hard in year 2009 (for Linux, not for the person). A modern operating system for year 2009 should be easy for everybody to use. Linux requires from the aforementioned everybody to learn how to use a "terminal". See my point?

You see, these people could have supported doc filetypes (or at least much better that they do now) and internal modems (they could do it buy reverse engineering the windows driver, simple as that) but they don't, cos they are stubborn fan boys who pray in the technical superiority of the odf format and linux kernel drivers.

And this last part accurately portraits the target audience of Linux, aka the type of people the thing was built for.

A obese geek who loves to learn about computers more than using them, and prefers the "technical superiority" of open standards (which sometimes are not compatible even between their own versions by the way) instead of industry standards, aka standards that actually help you get work done.

But... what if someone who actually cares about how people are going to use the damn thing took Linux and made it usable? Novell did, but only for servers. Fortunatelly, Apple took BSD (which is Unix, which is even better as Linux was a cheap-ass imitation of Unix in it's early steps by the way) and made MacOS X. Make yourself a gift an buy a proper computer and see what the real thing (Unix, not Linux) can do if tuned by professional, not by obese geeks.

And on a second thought,

And on a second thought, there are some things that cannot be done in Linux, even if you have a Harvard degree in computer science.

Can I make my Canon printer/External tv card/internal winmodem/ work in Linux? Noooo!!

See, Linux sucks even for knowledgeable person

Use it in your old PC that can't run any other more advanced operating system, and make yourself a favor and buy an OS made by professionals that actually care about their userbase. An OS allows you to use it without reading "hardware compatibility lists" or typing on the stupid anachronistic terminal.

Wow, quick response. There

Wow, quick response.
There are a couple of points I think should be added.
Firstly: there's an increasing number of small, extremely portable machines being sold around the world - so-called 'web-books' for example. Very many, if not most, of these come with a version of linux preinstalled. So the traditional old linux mantra of ' f*** off back to windows' cannot be used quite so readily now-a-days: there is an increasing body of computer users out there who, through no fault of their own, have found themselves trying to get to grips with a 'distro' of linux. These people cannot 'f*** off back to windows": they never had windows in the first place: they didn't choose linux for philosophical reasons; they don't want to become computer experts; they simply, and quite rightly, bought the only computer they could afford.
The fault here, if that's the right way of putting it, lies with the companies selling these things: they imply that the product they're selling is a fully functioning computer when in reality, for the vast majority of people, it is not.
I'm typing this right now on a cute, and actually pretty impressive, Acer Aspire One, which runs, and can only run (I think) linux lite/linplus/fedora - or something: I've not yet figured out precisely WHAT it is.
Secondly: I'd like to quote some passages from a book called "Beginning Ubuntu" written by Kier Thomas and Jamie Sicam, published by Apress:-

"It’s also very easy to use. Ubuntu works straight out of the box. As soon as it’s installed,
you should be ready to start using it without any further work.
There’s also the fact that Linux encourages you to take control of your computer, as
opposed to treating it like a magical box. As soon as you install Linux, you become a power
user. Every aspect of your PC is under your control, unlike with Windows. This means
fixing problems is a lot easier, and optimizing your system becomes part and parcel of the
user experience.
Linux is more than a computer operating system. It’s
an entire community of users spread across the globe. When you start to use Linux, you
become part of this community (whether you like it or not!).
One of the benefits of membership is that you’re never far from finding a solution to
a problem. The community likes to congregate online around forums and newsgroups,
which you can join in order to find help.
Your placement in the ranks of the community is “newbie.” This is a popular way of
describing someone who is new to Linux. Although this sounds derisory, it will actually
help when you talk to others. Advertising your newbie status will encourage people to take
the time to help you. After all, they were newbies once upon a time!
There’s another reason not to be disheartened by your newbie tag: you’ll outgrow it
very quickly.
What should you expect from Linux once you’ve installed it? Well, it’s a little like running
Windows, except there are no viruses, fewer crashes, and no inexplicable slowdowns.
In addition, you have complete control over the system. This doesn’t mean Linux is necessarily
complicated. It’s just that you have the control if you wish to make use of it.
But in just a few weeks after your move to Linux, everything will start to seem entirely
normal. Most of the time, you won’t even be aware you’re running Linux.
Who uses Linux? The myth from the old days is that it’s only for techies and power users.
When you needed to put everything together by hand, this was clearly true. But modern
distributions make Linux accessible to all. It’s no exaggeration to say that you could install
Linux on a computer Luddite’s PC and have that person use it in preference to Windows.
Linux has stepped out of the dark backrooms, with the goal of pushing aside
Microsoft Windows and Mac OS in order to dominate the corporate workstation and
home user market.
Running Linux on the desktop has always been possible, but the level of knowledge
required was often prohibitively high, putting Linux out of the reach of most ordinary
users. It’s only comparatively recently that the companies behind the distributions of
Linux have taken a long, hard look at Windows and attempted to mirror its user-friendly
approach. In addition, the configuration software in distributions like Ubuntu has progressed
in leaps and bounds. Now, it’s no longer necessary to know arcane commands in order to do
something as simple as switch the screen resolution.
You shouldn’t see learning to use Linux as a chore. Instead, you should see it as an
adventure—a way of finally getting the most from your PC and not having to worry about
things going wrong for reasons outside your control.
Ubuntu is designed to be easy to use. Anyone who has used Windows or Mac OS will
feel right at home."

I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say the comments quoted above are extremely misleading. How many people have read this book, and others, perhaps, like it, and opted to try out ubuntu based on the excessively optimistic impression created? Are those misguided suckers at fault? Should they be told simply to f*** off back to windows?
In defense of ubuntu I'd like to say that, in my limited experience, it was the applications that were at fault, not the OS itself. I really think I'd have stuck with it, if only the applications had worked as they should. (I say 'should' as someone who's used to using fabulous, free, open source, software on windows xp.)
The wealth of free, open source,software available to windows users is actually an interesting point, and one that rewards consideration.
Windows dissuades its users from learning the intricacies of their operating system, as every linux fanatic will agree. The truly FANTASTIC thing about linux, or so I'm told, is the way users are forced to learn how to REALLY use their computers. Windows does the opposite: you learn to use the GUIs, not the underlying OS.
But, I suggest, it is precisely this simplicity, this inclusiveness, that has led to windows being, without any doubt, THE operating system of choice for today's genius programmers. People fall in love, not with windows,but with what windows can DO for them. People are inspired to join in. People WANT to learn, precisely because no one is forcing them to.
I say 'people want to learn'; what I should say, of course, is SOME people want to learn. And isn't that the way it should be, ideally? The people who are enthusiastic, and who have the time and aptitude, should be free to experiment, playfully and truly creatively, while the rest of us leave them to it and reap the rewards.
Herein lies yet another problem with linux, and with linux fanatics -in my humble opinion:-
Linux fanatics quite naturally have little or no interest in what windows users are getting up to. Subsequently they're generally completely unaware of the extraordinary innovations that have evolved over there, in the Forbidden Kingdom. As a brief example from my own experience:-
If you own an mp3/4 player with a built in screen you can, now-a-days, use it to read novels; and millions of people worldwide do precisely that. I'm one of them. But if you use linux... To read on a mp3/4 player you have to have the book in .txt format. Due to this (and for other reasons too, no doubt) .txt has become THE medium of choice for windows users to share and edit text. And at this point, I'd imagine, the average linux user would scratch their heads in befuddlement. For the average linux user the word 'text' has only one meaning - code, and nothing but code. But windows users, worldwide, have discovered a new and wonderfully exciting, liberating use for their 'notepad' applications; an innovation that has gone unnoticed in the puritanical world of linux. To an embarrassingly uneducated observer like myself the linux motto would seem to be: if we weren't doing it in 1985, then it just does not (and cannot) exist.
My Gods, imagine if those geniuses who've made windows their accommodating home turned, instead to linux....
Not that they'll ever do that, though. It'd be like moving from Shangri-La to East Germany, circa 1950.
Ok, so perhaps that's a tiny bit harsh.
To reiterate my main point, which has got lost a little here: linux is currently being pushed as a complete, fully-functioning operating system. Lots of people are getting stuck with it, through no fault of their own. Perhaps these poor victims should be warned in advance... "abandon hope all ye who enter here... this is not an operating system, it just kind of looks like one."
I sincerely apologize for the absurd length of this comment.

TXT was THE medium to spread

TXT was THE medium to spread text back prior to 1996. It ain't new buddy. Quite simply, its come full circle, BACK to how things were. Oddly, people make comments about Linux being anachronistic, and here you are saying that THE format for distrubuting text back in the 80's and early 90's is popular again! This is back when I was using DOS adnd download TXT files from BBS's over a 2400 baud modem(all command line, all the way!)

The argument that Linux is not a complete OS is wrong. If your printer doesn't work, its because the manufacturer has not provided a driver. Microsoft do not write drivers for all the hardware in the world. Why expect the Linux development community to? they try, but often aren't given the information. Linux is still in development in this regard, but having been a user for 8 years now, I can say it is catching up. Checking a compatibility list isn't such a big deal anyway, really, is it? Besides, Mac's can't use a LOT of PC hardware. I have a laser printer connected to my Linux box which my girlfriend, using a Mac has to print to using my machine because it doesn't run on hers. Ironically, it's her printer! Apple is still popular despite the limited hardware options, so this 'issue' is overhyped I think. I think its unfair to put the blame squarely on Linux developers though.

Yes its true linux 'forces' you to learn more than windows, but this is partly because solutions to problems offered are often not the most newbie friendly solution there is. Many times I see a solution involving using 'vi' and the command line, when the GUI would have sufficed. Linux IS easier to use than it is made out, but those who offer solutions are technically inclined, and give technically involved methods for using the system. Many times there are easier ways. Users need to ask for this. Linux users need to be smart enough to realise they need to offer these, even though the GUI method takes longer.

Most windows users I know hate Windows, or at least acknowledge a bad reputation, so I think its 'popular' the way the incumbent political part is 'popular'. Most people still realise its faulty, but they dont recognise better alternatives. I know one guy who keeps asking me when I'm "going back to Windows", as its better, but he is always reinstalling it, or reinstalling copies of windows he's installed for others. He, and his GF whos computer he maintains, has never had a Windows inatallation last more than several months. Maybe he likes to dick around with it, who knows, but its amusing to always visit and see the machine set up from scratch every time, always losing e-mails, files etc. He set up a windows machine for my mum, and its been only 6 months and had to be wiped (wiping out all her e-mails, settings, etc) and reinstalled because of infection/issues. This is Vista, and supposedly this reinstall cycle is all in the past. This seems to be the norm, yet still thinks I would want to go back to that? I remember another time when setting up a LAN with friends to play Quake, they wondered why I didn't use the 'standard', Windows, while they spent literally over an hour, getting their machines simply to ping each other (mine was working from the get go). This wasn't Win98, it was XP, the "good" Windows.

But sorry, there hasn't been much 'innovation' in the Windows world. Yes, I know whats happening there. I was a Windows user for many years (using PC's since 1993), still use it now daily. What people think is 'new' has been done before, years ago. TXT is OLD. Multitasking is advertised as 'new', but its OLD. My Linux box could do back in 2000 on a Pentium 1 what people are advertising new PC's of being able to do now as new and impressive. I see ads NOW saying "you can run this and that, AT THE SAME TIME!", when I could do that back in 2000, even WITH windows 98, though Linux was better at it. It's all so passe, its all so 'been there, done that'. Its like watching Amazonian villagers being impressed by a digital watch thinking its the latest accomplishment. To many windows users, they don't know better, so it SEEMS new and exciting. They are sitting on machines 500x more powerful than those back in 1996, and going WOW! that they can do with their new machines what machines back in 1996 could do. If anything, Windows has severly retarded the development of Information Technology, not improved it.

"I know one guy who keeps

"I know one guy who keeps asking me when I'm "going back to Windows", as its better, but he is always reinstalling it, or reinstalling copies of windows he's installed for others. He, and his GF whos computer he maintains, has never had a Windows inatallation last more than several months. Maybe he likes to dick around with it, who knows, but its amusing to always visit and see the machine set up from scratch every time, always losing e-mails, files etc."

I must ask, why do you think you loose all your files just because you reinstall windows? I've had windows installations last years with no reinstall needed. Most PC people I know like to reinstall every 6 months for a fresh start. Sorry, but I guess this guy you know, doesn't know much about what he's doing, if he keeps losing data.

I have been messing with Linux since mandrake 8, so over 6 years. I feel the Linux OS is sweet, but that the applications for it, suck. Also, the driver support is STILL terrible. I will reinstall it from time to time but always go back to Windows, and now Leopard. I know how to use terminal too, I am just over it. I feel like I spend more time tweaking with the system then actually being productive.

I use windows and Leopard, and I love both. I use windows to make money. It runs every kind of software for any job I need to do. I run Mac osx Leopard on my PC tower (hakintosh) and cant even find all the software that I have for windows. I would say there is a Mac OS equivalent app for only 80% of the windows made software out there. Windows may not be pretty, but who freaking cares. I also dabble in automotive work and the body means nothing without a good engine under the hood. With windows I can go from designing a 3d model in CAD to producing a music track, to playing an intense 3d game in seconds..... that's power people!! Windows itself, never messes up on me. If it does, 99.9% of the time it was a hardware driver, which had nothing to do with Microsoft.

Also, what do you people do to loose data in the first place? If windows gets corrupted somehow, theres always a way to go in and retrieve your data. I have never lost a single file do to Windows OS corruption. You simply attach the drive as you would an external drive or as a slave drive in your tower and go in and retrieve your files. It is that simple...

I am so sick of these scare tactics, "When you use windows, you will loose your data" ....Shut up..... no you wont.

Linux sucks for reasons I can not live with, I personally will stick with Win/Leopard.... I use to think Linux would catch on, I no longer think that.
Its a fun toy.

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Thanks for the lengthy

Thanks for the lengthy rebuttal.
And for your entertainment, or more likely extreme annoyance, here is an even lengthier rebuttal of the rebuttal.
We've got our wires seriously crossed here. I don't necessarily disagree with the points you raised; but unfortunately the points you raised weren't especially connected to what I was originally saying.
I was never referring to innovation with microsoft. I tried to be as clear as possible, but perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The genuine, exciting, ground-breaking, and I think unmissable, innovation is happening within the community of windows USERS. That's the innovation I was talking about.
To use (for no real reason) Hegelian terms:-
Windows is the thesis. Makes sense.
Linux, then, is the antithesis. Unfortunately it seems stuck being the antithesis, and nothing but the antithesis, for ever and ever - allowing itself to be defined as being only whatever windows is not - which is abject subserviency.
What many people have been hoping for is, plainly, a SYNTHESIS: The best of both worlds: not further action and reaction, but a merging, blending; the strengths of both and the weaknesses of neither.
When might that long-hoped-for synthesis come?
Well, I've got news for you. This was what I tried to say in the previous post - regarding innovation that I've witnessed over in the fabled land of windows.
The synthesis between the windows and linux attitudes, aptitudes, philosophies and passions has already begun.
Really. I really think so. The synthesis has begun. But it's begun over there, not here.
The explosion in free, open-source, user-created, non-corporation-controlled, liberated computing has begun, in windows.
And, in case I haven't made myself clear enough: obviously I'm not referring here to the actions of microsoft, but to the actions of that vast body of people who've chosen, for whatever reason, to make a home for themselves on the windows platform.
Why windows? Possibly for many reasons, a great many of which are being discussed and argued about elsewhere on this forum.
That's the point I was trying to make.
The 'linux' attitude is alive and well, and stronger and more popular than ever. On windows. It is those open-source hobby-programmers, I suggest, who currently epitomize the 'linux' spirit.

And as for .txt. You've taken the point I was making, and repeated it back to me. The fact that .txt is a somewhat ancient thing is precisely what makes its reemergence and adaption so wonderful, and so indicative of the sort of forward-thinking I'm talking about. What prompted me to use .txt as my example was the way in which linux users seem to be, at best, unaware of its resurgence in popularity. A significant proportion of computer users worldwide use their mp3/4 players in a new and liberating way. It's a quiet, unspectacular and admittedly narrow little revolution; but, in its own little way, it is a revolution. I was really surprised, when I began using ubuntu, to discover no trace of the 'revolution' could be seen.

The advise-givers are technically inclined, and so give technical answers. Makes perfect sense. Wouldn't one say, though, that the sheer number of requests for help, of all sorts, that appear on those sorts of forums suggests, if not proves, that those same technically inclined individuals represent a microscopic minority? In responding in the way many (though not all, I freely admit) do, isn't it a strange assumption to make: that the person who posted the request is a member of that microscopic minority? Isn't the assumption that any given person is a member of a tiny minority a strange sort of assumption to make?

Most windows users that I know never give the OS a second thought, because they so rarely have to. Seriously. I propose the average windows user thinks only about what their computer can do for them, and rarely if ever about how it's doing it: their computers are portals through which they choose to peer: when one is looking at a fascinating thing happening outside one's window, should one really be focusing on the glass?
And as for which platform is harder to use, or more prone to problems: you say one thing, I say another. I don't think there's any hope either of us is going to change our mind, so perhaps we should let the subject lie.
And to iterate my main point: please let's not confuse the body of windows users and open-source programmers with the microsoft corporation. Quite PLAINLY they are very different things, and very often, I suspect, they are radically opposed to each other. You say there hasn't been much innovation at windows; I really thought I'd made it clear that that's not what I meant. I meant innovation on the windows platform, not within microsoft. I don't really care what happens in microsoft. I was talking about the hobby programmers. And I strongly doubt anyone could seriously claim there hasn't been a vast amount of innovation amongst THEM.

I did misinterpret your

I did misinterpret your point, and I do agree with you, the wires were crossed. Particularly concerning how the revolution in use is from the 'bottom up' rather than 'top down'

Just a little note, back in the early to mid 90's, friends and I used to trade shreware, freeware, MIDI's, MOD's GIF's and TXT files after school, and cool programs, utilities and demos and games. The OS was DOS, but we weren't DOS people. We only ever thought about the OS if we needed to install or upgrade it. The software never used to have to say "free, written in C++ with library X, using text config files, cross platform, under GPL etc". It just described what it DID. Read a description of a Linux game there is a mention of it being free, open source, cross platform, extensible, running with engine X, based on library Y, using XML config files and maybe, if you're lucky, a description of the actual game, but brief, and useless if you are actually looking for a game. I used to get a lot of 'flash' games in my inbox. Free, little, but GOOD windows games anyone could run. That, and the still large range of free software confirmed for me that this "Linux" spirit is still alive there in Windows land, with good software to back it up. I just never knew about the TXT format revolution being that big.

Just last night I wanted to try out bluetooth on my Laptop with my GF's mobile. I seriously could not find any good documentation. I found technical information for how to automate certain tasks with certain devices, but nothing, not even in the apps, which just said how to use bluetooth to transfer a file to a phone. The apps were there, but they seemed more focused on telling me that they were for KDE, using this backend, etc. In the windows world, an app is written to do something the user wants to do with their computer. In the Linux world, an app is written either as a proof of concept or to add functionality but rarely specifically to allow the user to do something with their computer. That often seems secondary, and with the programs I tried to use, it was very clear that was the case.

Hence the reason the revolution is probably happening amonst the Windows user base. Unlike Linux, where everything revolves around Linux, in Windows, the software is about the user and the computer. The Windows OS exists merely to facilitate interaction between the program and the user. I used to think it would become overbearing and obstructive, but Linux does this more. In Windows, you use your computer. With Linux, you use Linux. People don't buy a computer to use the OS. Even back in the old DOS days, us nerdy high school guys downloading MOD's, trading text files and games didn't care about "using DOS", we wanted to explore what our computers could do, and use them as tools, listen to music, play good games. This is something which Windows caters for, because Windows users want to user their computers. People wrote DOS games because they had a good game they wanted to write. The way that many Linux games are advertised, its as if the person just wanted to experiment with a library, or release an existing game under a different licensing scheme.

But with Linux, Linux is developed by zealots who care only about Linux. So everything about Linux is Linux. They are about the OS, the "use" the OS, and write tools the "use" the OS in new and creative ways. Every app is treated as an extension to, or part of the OS. But those new and creative ways dont make a difference to users. Sure, there is extra functionality Linux offers which is useful to users, but I will admit, it is little.

Linux could progress in leaps and bounds, if only the core, minority community woke up and left their own sheltered circle and started to see the world outside of Linux, how people use their computers, and wrote software to address those needs. This, more than any technical issue would help Linux spread like wildfire. The only limiting technical issue is hardware support and binary compatibility. Instead of doing this, they just try to make it 'easier', completely oblivious to the fact that despite the apparent ease of use of the installer and YUM/SYNAPTIC, the OS just plain misses the point.

So yes, I see your point and agree. The problem is that Linux developers aways approach a problem as something requiring another wrapper, another layer or subsystem, or fork, ie, something you can just write code to fix. Missing functionalty can always be 'incorporated' into the OS. Fact is, something that is completely missing, and you will never hear mention of, is how the OS could be tailored to suit the needs of REAL users, not imaginary users, or hypothetical scenarios. I've never read anything from the Linux community along these lines, and the absence of this sort of analysis explain a LOT about the OS. Technically, Linux is better than Windows, and could offer so, so much more, such a better platform. But without the attitude adjustment, despite all the extra work that will be put in making it easier and windows wobbling and looking good, it just wont go anywhere because it doesn't meet user needs and wants.

Thanks for the reply. And

Thanks for the reply. And thanks for expanding my rant beyond my original, computer-illiterate perspective.

Am I right in thinking the creation of ubuntu was initiated and funded (funded BIG-TIME) by a business entrepreneur, by the name of Mark Shuttleworth; who's aim was absolutely to create the sort of operating system you've just described? I suspect the same is true of some of the other distros - the original intention was to create a OS exactly like you (and numerous other posters on this forum) have described.
So, if that's the way it was, what went wrong? Who or what interfered and stopped the distros turning out the way they were intended?
I know less about computing than I do about the politics of feudal Japan, but, to me, the likeliest suspect in this little mystery is the applications. It seems, for some reason, it's the applications that are causing the problems, and ending the dream of an inclusive distro, suitable for people no matter their level of expertise.
I used ubuntu for a year, before problems with printing and picture editing drove me away (GIMP! what a h**p *f st*nk*ng sh*t!). But, in fairness, the operating system itself, so far as I am able to tell, was perfectly fine. In fact I'd say it was excellent.
With ubuntu It was the applications (created by people not employed by the businessman behind the project) that caused the problems every time. I never had to open a terminal window to do anything, except for trying to download, install or adapt an application.
Am I right in thinking that at least once, and perhaps several times, very very clever computer boffins have come within a hair's breadth of creating the perfect, dream operating system, just like some people on this forum have been begging for - only to be tripped up at the last hurdle? It seems to me that all the hard work had been done by this point, and done pretty successfully.

I wonder if there is an answer to this mystery?

BeOS was a pretty good

BeOS was a pretty good desktop OS with great multimedia capacity that died. OS/2 Warp seemed technicaly better that Windows and was quite good, but it was killed. My belief is that if we are to allow the pursuit of market share and mercantile needs dictate the OS, then we will be stuck with mediocre OS's. Especially if the target audience is misunderstood. Hence why Windows is ubiquitous and OS/2 died and why the Linux community makes sucky choices and is driving the OS backwards.

I was writing a reply, but then I realised that what I was writing would probably better off as a new thread.

So here is the thread.

http://whylinuxsucks.org/linux-attidue-and-why-os-misses-mark

I think it might explain why the Linux community misses revolutions regarding computer use as you've observed. To put it briefly, Linux is very prescriptive to unknowledgeable users. The Linux community define need, rather than observe it. The define need because their OS is built in such a way they HAVE to define need.

Just a side note, you're right about the apps. Notice how all the really good desktop apps available for Linux (and often incorrectly labelled as "Linux Apps"), the ones which actually try to be an app suited for a particular purpose, that is to be a good office suite in and of itself, or to be a good browser or media player, are available under Windows? ie, OpenOffice, VLC Player, MPlayer, Firefox, Thunderbird. There are apps built to be good at what they do, rather than just be an alternative to make an alternative OS viable, or use a library, or scratch an itch, etc. Sure, there are crappy apps for Linux which are ported to other platforms, but virtually ALL the good ones are just as known among Windows users and were never meant to just be "Linux Apps". The were just meant to be apps. There are some "Linux Apps" ported to Windows, like The GIMP, Etherape, but fewer and far inbetween, and not as succesfull. How many Windows users use The GIMP?

Elizabeth! I'm comin ta

Elizabeth! I'm comin ta join ya....!!!! Red Foxx said it best!
I know I'm a little off the thread topic, but I just wanted to say that I just installed Mandriva 2009 (spring) for the umteenth time and without having to install anything myself or type any cryptic commands, I was able to use Pandora.com and BROWSE MY WINDOWS NETWORK!!!!! Holy shit! I want to jump up and down and I'm in my 40's.

I know it will disappoint and frustrate me soon, but WOW what a way to start out.

I like the idea behind linux, and I'm a bit of a computer nerd myself having even learned a thing or two about the cryptic commands. But I really would like a distro that "just works" I'm also an XP fan. I think after SP2 it works well. I almost never have crashes or BSOD in fact I can't recall the last time I did. My main XP machines stay up for weeks at a time without a reboot. Now Vista is not my friend. Every time I give Vista another chance I always end up cussing and taking it off and replacing it with XP.

But WOW!!! Pandora right off the bat. No need to install FLASH Player. What a day.............

I installed Fedora on a

I installed Fedora on a Thinkpad, and everything worked with very minimal effort. The only hold out is the modem, which needs me to install a driver. Maybe changing to the propreitary graphics card will improve 3D graphics, but all works. Wireless, trackpad, suspend, etc. Youtube, Facebook and flash, all work. (I installed Adobe flash). USB drives all work, though I did have to edit a text config file to get some external drives to be autodetected. SLight hiccup, but thats kind of normal.

Can't complain about that! It is easy to use software from the repository system.

However, the issue is that this seems all done to give good first impressions, Repository system makes things easy, and hardware all works. Problem is when you start to venture away, adding new hardware, and adding software not in the repositories.

Then it becomes hit and miss. Over the months, it becomes more miss than hit. While someone who installed windows might have spent more time manually installing office software, graphics software, etc. give it a year, and they will still have the same freedom to install software. In two years time, the OS will work just the same. The Linux installation will still run fine, but it will be grossly out of date